Why are vokey wedges cast

Other than feel, sound, and looks is there any data that would point to one or the other? Both hit the ball like a champ, both can work the ball equally the same. The only difference I felt I could see was actually distances. The S55 seemed to hit further but not as consistent in yardage. The reason why forged feels softer is because of the metal being used. If you cast it, it would feel the same. With polymers and inserts and such, you can feel a difference these days.

My opinion is that forged feels softer from all of the face, cast feels soft of the middle. I went from forged to cast and I can call the result better now with cast while the ball is still in the air. But there is a difference in feel. I along with 2 other people at the golf store I worked at confirmed it during a test done by our ping rep.

It makes no difference. You can do things with inserts in the back of the club that gives the same sound and feel as forged. I used to love forged clubs but casting technology and technology in cast clubs has advanced to the point where theres no longer an advantage to forged clubs. Workability has nothing to do with the type of metal used, but rather how that metal is positioned to create a head design. Feel has more to do with ball design, grip thickness and shaft design than the metal used in the head.

All those factors you state also affect workability as well but forged irons still allow you to control spin and trajectory better than cast. My statement is from 40 years of playing golf since I was 5 and using everything. Persimmon woods, steel, cast, titanium, forged, etc. What you are finding is not the materials having a benefit but rather forged club designs tend to also be done on head shapes that promote workability -such as smaller head shape, higher cg, etc etc.

Cast clubs tend to come in head shapes that have bigger cavities, lower cg, softer shafts etc etc which promote less side spin. A softer forged metal adds that extra ounce of control. Yes I have swung the same club with same shaft with one forged and one cast. Also, they were very close to same weighting and design.

The forged version was more workable. It is not to say cast is bad but it just depends on what you are looking for, more workability or a flatter straighter ball flight.

There is a difference between forged and cast. Benjamin Lee 1. Decades ago this test was done with tour players. None could tell the difference in a very scientific blind test. Investment casting was not as good as it is today decades ago. This is where one can tell the difference between a fifty year old casting versus a forged club — when bending the hosels with machines — not hitting a rubber ball.

Forged made fitting lie angles a d adjusting lofts easier. Also the foundries have loads of money invested in equipment and softer metals are easier on their machines meaning less maintenance and replacement.

It was the foundries and club makers that created this placebo you think lies within the material striking rubber. You feel the design of each part of the club. Thinner face with no dampening will feel harder than a thicker face for example. A high cg will flight lower. Swing weight can affect club head delivery and shaft angle at impact. Etc etc…. And throw this into our debate… You can easily cast a softer material like copper and forge a hard as rock material.

Yes, I can tell the difference in my car when I use 91 octane versus There is a slight difference in power and acceleration. I did read that information.

The test was skewed to me. So that is subjective. Jeff Maggart was the only one able to see the difference. If they had asked them to determine which one was cast and which one was forged, I would bet a lot of them would be able to tell. I had a set of Ping ISI nickel cast irons softest cast iron and could tell the difference. At the time they were a gift from my dad, but end up going back to forged. Feel is subjective but workability is not.

Forged definitely has better workability. As far as feel, the difference in forged to cast is as big to me is as much as the feel of a carbon steel putter versus a stainless steel putter. Totally different feel.

Forged clubs work the ball better for more advanced players. This is my experience at least with Mizuno forged. The feel is better too. I played some really good golf with them. I now play a set of TaylorMade RSi2 irons. This is why a Vokey wedge cast feels fine and very much like any forged wedge. The Wilsons felt better no question. When you hit a pure iron shot, you could instantly feel how soft and awesome it felt. If you missed though, it rang right up the shaft into your hands and it sucked.

As for workability — BS! Also if I want to experiment with materials, methods of club construction, different shafts, etc. Just a couple of observations. I much prefer the softer steel in forged clubs for bending and grinding clubs to fit. Second, forged heads are generally the smaller, blade or slight cavity designs that are low MOI. Slight mishits show up in feel and on the launch monitor.

As a rule, I would say that if you really want to dial in your game, go forged with a swing coach and a certified club crafter. Whose heads were you buying?

Pretty much dead on for everything I purchased. It is also what is missing from virtually every iron review.

I think that iron sets should be judged by their ability to produce reliable distances, tight dispersion, and consistent gapping. If people want to buy their iron sets based on other criteria they are welcome to, but those are the criteria that I care about. This is basic metallurgy and fact. Yes there are some manufactures that get close to a forged feel. However, there is no question if you pick up a forged cavity back iron and hit it back to back with a similar cast club, same shaft same grip, you feel a difference.

Yes forged is more malleable. The affect on the ball is no different. It all depends on the material, not the process the iron is made. The feedback from a forged iron is instant. You know…feel…a pure shot immediately, which during a practice session really helps you to get your swing plane right.

With cast irons, everything feels about the same and you can really get off plane without knowing it or understanding what needs to be done to correct the problem. I go for forged irons only because I always need the lie angle adjusted. Technology wise, nothing much has changed for forged irons. There is very little technological difference between the ZB Forged irons that I have been playing for years, compared to the current generations of Titleist forged irons.

If they are relatively new they can go 5up to 5down from std pretty easily. Cast irons can definitely be adjusted for lie angle, but it you need an extreme adjustment, forged irons can be adjusted to a further degree per club champion. Yes, I have been told by a few club fitters before… even with forged clubs they have been reluctant to adjust more than 2 deg.

So I always end up with a compromise by flattening 1. What a bummer! Excellent article. I enjoyed the historical perspective. Being an individual who is increasingly turned-off and annoyed by outrageous and misleading marketing claims by equipment manufacturers, I liked the focus of this essay.

I no longer believe them; trust has been destroyed. By knowingly purchasing gear from companies that are not being honest and truthful in their advertising reflects upon my integrity. I will no longer respond or partake in this approach to selling golf equipment… or anything else.

I want to feel good about the company and its ethics from whom I am buying. Obviously there will be disagreement on this age old topic. Likewise I scored one of my all time low rounds, a 66 with a set I borrowed from an uncle and played wearing sneakers. In short you adapt to the club you are using. They are forged and when properly hit sound great, feel great and the ball goes where I want. Some days you eat the bear and some days the best eats you.

Enjoyed it greatly. Read lots of articles over the years on subject. People like Tway, KnoX, Ca. Calcavecchia, Green and more.

Tiger, Rory, Jordan and others use blades. But then those guys can hit anything. It is interesting that there are MAJOR companies out there that insist there is no such thing as feel…. Actually it is all in the marketing. What you like the look of, the feel of, and how you hit it is the one for you. And newer is not always better. Now how does that work? Remember, marketing is huge and how the mfgrs make their money. Oh, and about forged or cast, no difference.

Honestly, cast wedges just last longer, I havent really noticed a huge difference in feel either softer wedge shaft maybe? I guess its just a preference thing for me I'm also hesitant on forged wedges incase they wear out quickly but as I have said before i'll own a forged wedge before I own a vokey The difference between forged and cast wedges is minimal.

You will get used to the feel of whatever you hit and adjust from there. The only downside I see either way is forged wedges would have to be adjusted for loft and lie periodically and they would get beat up and wear out faster since they are the most used clubs. I've had forged wedges, and they seemed to wear a lot faster Funny I never thought of forged clubs in the wedge category before this post.

That combo's always worked well enough for me. In any case, the chrome plating on my iron sets makes them somewhat 'clickier' than they may be if they were raw, and most of the wedges I've played have been unplated - which, in my experience, makes a big difference.

Vokeys and s are also cast from steel, which is soft, and it's the steel used in a club's construction that results in any differences in perceived feel, anyway; not whether the wedges are cast or forged. Throw in softer shafts I use Ss in my wedges and Xs in my iron set and you've got a lot of things going on, all of which impact upon the feel I get with the respective clubs. Cobra S2 forged with oil can vokeys.

For a golfer on a budget, I cant justify the abuse the forged wedges go though and having to by new ones faster than cast. I just went from all forged to cast wedges. I play Mizuno irons and Scracth 's in wedges. Mizuno irons and Scratch wedges. The scratch wedges feel just as good as forged and imo they perform like no other.

I used forged irons with cast wedges for years until I recently got i15 irons. Honestly, I notice the feel more in longer irons. I can tell a bit of a difference between a soft, forged 3 iron and a cast 3 iron, but I can't tell any difference in a forged wedge and a cast wedge.

I, too, play Titty forged irons and Vokey wedges. It's what works best for me. At least Titleist MB's, Vokey wedges. I prefer to keep the same shaft in all my irons and wedges and I was originally concerned about feel, however, after playing Jaws and Scratch in , the adjustment period was quick and painless. As stated earlier in this thread, the Vokeys adjust for loft and lie as easily as my 's I do my own adjustments.

The CC grooves do not tear up my ProV1's on every shot. Ping G30 9. You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Paste as plain text instead. Only 75 emoji are allowed. Display as a link instead. Clear editor. Upload or insert images from URL. By ksible2 Started 4 hours ago. This subtle offset should help inspire confidence for those seeking added forgiveness in a wedge.

The biggest change that sets this new Vokey Forged apart from other forged wedges in the market today is the internal weighting structure. Similar to the CB and AP2 irons, these Forged Wedges have Titanium and Tungsten weight elements co-forged which moves the CG to an optimum location to improve shot consistency for each loft setting. The approach used by the SM6 is different. They strategically altered the thickness of the back face to move the CG up and down.

With the Forged Wedges, the weight was moved internally which allowed them to keep a clean traditional look on the back face. Other notable features include TX4 grooves with added parallel milling for enhanced spin performance as well as a pre-worn leading edge for a smoother turf interaction.

The new Vokey Forged Wedge really looks good at address. Traditional looks will appeal to the most discerning players. Most would find it an easy switch from their current gamers. In the more popular lofts, you can choose from F, M and K grinds for your specific needs. New posts.

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Guy I was with today was adamant that forged wedges are much better than cast for short game chipping etc. I'm not convinced and think they just 'feel' better. Any thoughts? He was using some very old pings and was quite tidy with them. I try them for a shot and can't say I noticed any difference to my Cleveland's.

Imurg Grand Slam Winner Sep 8, Ping are cast, Callaway are cast That would be funny if his 'forged' club was cast!

I'll have to ask what model it is next time and check.